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November 09, 2005 09:00 AM UTC

Fallout Coming from Democratic Victories

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  • by: Colorado Pols

It has become such a recurring story that it’s almost a non-story anymore: President Bush has hit an all-time low in approval ratings at 38 percent. From MSNBC:

Democrats might be overstating that their gubernatorial victories Tuesday in New Jersey and Virginia are glaring signs for next years midterm congressional elections and beyond, but one thing is pretty clear: President Bush and the GOP seem to be mired in political quicksand.

The latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, released Wednesday night, finds that all five of Bushs job approval ratings  on overall job performance, the economy, foreign policy, terrorism and Iraq  are at all-time lows in the survey. In addition, the CIA leak scandal seems to be taking a toll on the administration, with nearly 80 percent believing the indictment of Vice President Cheney’s former chief of staff, Lewis Scooter Libby, is a serious matter, and with Bush experiencing a 17-point drop since January in those who see him as honest and straightforward.

With the midterms a year away, these numbers could spell trouble for the GOP. These are not good times for Republicans, says Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart. This is a very unhappy electorate thats going to be unstable, and they are terrifically unstable numbers for a Republican majority.

We discussed this a few weeks ago in reiterating a point we have been making for months: President Bush and the White House are causing big problems for Republicans nationwide, including in Colorado. Democrats cleaned up in elections on Tuesday, winning gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey. Voters also rejected many far-right proposals from Arnold Schwarzenegger’s measures in California to giving the boot to a school board that wanted to impose so-called “intelligent design” teaching standards.

The results, coupled with Colorado’s passage of Referendum C last week, are making it hard for Republicans to continue to stand tall in the face of mounting troubles on Capitol Hill and at the White House. It may be too soon to call this a trend, but we’re too far down the road now to pretend that Democrats don’t have the momentum going into 2006.

So what does this all mean for Colorado? It means plenty. Republican losses on Tuesday have put a real fright into some of the top figures in Colorado GOP politics, including Rep. Bob Beauprez, who was already taking heat for taking a bullfighter’s position on Referenda C&D (“o-lay!”) that gave way to the “Both Ways Bob” moniker. Will Tuesday’s losses throw a wrench in his plans to run for governor?

Stay tuned.

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38 thoughts on “Fallout Coming from Democratic Victories

  1. I see no way the White House is now willing to write off the 7th (or, at least, let ROD seriously try to keep the district in republican hands. Because he’d fail.)

  2. Beauprez is seen nationally as a shoo in for re-election to CD7.  With the R troubles, he will come under increasing pressure from the House leadership, and maybe the White House, to drop his bid for Gov to keep his CD seat. 

    watcher

  3. Golly, looks like Beauprez will just have to withdraw and leave the field to a certain loser, Holtzman.  How many times have we heard this spiel?  Two more Republican losses in governors’ races and Schwarzenegger in dire straits just makes it more important than ever to be competitive in the Colorado governor’s race.  Somehow, that doesn’t sound like a mandate for the Pennsylvania Kid, no matter how much of his daddy’s money he spends calling Colorado voters pigs.

  4. Might I add, I don’t think O’Donnell would be too happy right about now if Bobby boy decided to step back into the CD7 race.  I don’t know if he would be too happy to step aside.  Nor do I think the voters would be too happy.

  5. ROD will back down – as will Paschall. Rick still has a secure place in the cabinet, and he’ll be fine hunkering down until BB decides to run for something else down the line (senate?)

    As an aside – anyone notice how Musgrave has toned it down, herself? If the White House can moderate HER, I’m sure they can untie those strings Benson has attached to Both Ways Bob.

  6. Here’s what I think is the funniest thing about this whole race; back in July, the Beauprez Campaign was trying to force a “coronation” (according to the Rocky Mountain News), but that fell through when Marc refused to sign on to the Treasurer’s run. Then, in August – I think – people on this blog started a rumor that Marc was getting out of the race. Instead, he apparently only sent a letter to Beauprez asking him to join in the fight against C and D.

    But on this site – the BB shills were claiming Marc was dead in the water. I think I remember “wheels off the bus” being said a few times. Assumptions that the RV thing would flop. That people wouldn’t turn out. That his candidacy announcement would fizzle.

    But – with all due respect – you guys were so totally wrong.

    Look what’s happened… he’s built a base, increased his name id, found a message to unite the conservatives, raised over a million dollars, and is trucking through the entire state growing his support.

    No one – and I mean no one – could have predicted this turn of events back in March, when Coffman was still in the race, Beauprez was sweating his re-election for ’06, Holtzman was seen as a long long long long shot and McInnins and Norton were still “contenders”.

    What a long, strange trip it’s been.

  7. I seriously question whether Both Ways Bob would be a ‘shoo-in’ if he got back in the race for the 7th.

    The same troubles emanating from the president will have a particular impact on Both Ways Bob whatever race he is in.  He has been so closely aligned with the President that he will have great difficulty distancing himself.

    That will be compounded in the 7th by a race change.  The moniker will stick and will be used in whichever race he finally decides on.

    The 7th will go Democratic next November.

  8. Given how things went around the country and here with C&D, I really think the watch word for the GOP should be UNITY.

    With that said, Bob needs to go back to the 7th. Too many folks are climbing on board with MH. If Bob stays in the hunt for the Mansion, we’ll have the Coors/Schaffer thing all over again. As Pete said, Beauprez “…doesn’t need a job”, he already has one. He needs to beg people to keep the $1 MIL, steamroll the DEM contenders and keep the seat GOP.

    … and don’t talk to me about ROD being upset. Rick is a Golden Glove when it comes to playing ball… He’ll be offered a deal and he’ll take it.

    Here’s what I have been thinking about the last week… What the hell are we going to do about our traitorous GOV Bill? In his heart of hearts we know the guy wants to move up and out to the Potomac, but I just don’t see all of the anti-C&D counties lining up behind the guy for Allard’s seat. They are pissed off and there are a lot of solid voting Republicans who are calling him a Democrat AT GOP EVENTS. Out loud even.

    I got an idea though… A way for Bill to redeem himself to his party and the people of Colorado.

    OWENS FOR 1ST CD!

    Think about it…

  9. GOPER:

    you say that ROD has a secure place in the cabinet, but you are wrong.  He has a place in the cabinet for one more year, and if a dem wins the governors race, ROD is as good as gone.

    ROD will not back out of the 7th race, and BB will not reenter the 7th race, the sooner that we all accept this the sooner that we can move on to more serious issues in these campaigns.

  10. Hey “Thinkin,” you said:

    “But – with all due respect – you guys were so totally wrong. Look what’s happened… he’s (Holtzman) built a base, increased his name id, found a message to unite the conservatives, raised over a million dollars, and is trucking through the entire state growing his support.”

    Help me understand you here. In just the last month, a poll of Republican primary voters preferred Beauprez over Holtzman 47% to 13%. And Holtzman’s appeal to voters to defeat Ref. C failed, as Colorado voters (of which there are more Republicans than Democrats) voted against him.

    Until you find a poll that shows Holtzman with a better chance than Lyndon LaRouche, please tone down the rhetoric. It’s borderline offensive.

  11. You forget, draftromanoff, that Holtzman’s first concern is winning a primary. I think he has his hands full with Beauprez, but he certainly came out of c&d looking like the stronger candidate because he appealed to the far right with his opposition to c&d.

  12. 47% + 13% = 60%… Meaning that 40% haven’t made up their minds yet. Huh! Odd, I thought Both Ways Bob was the going away winner!

    Let’s see, 13% + 40% = 53% (isn’t math fun?). Even though I attended Public Schools, I do believe 53% constitutes a majority. Everyone at our Lincoln Day Dinner last winter was saying “Marc who?” Now they stand around and say “Beauprez has only 47%?”

    Why don’t you stick to undermining Bill “I’m on a mission from God” Ritter there DraftRomanoff and leave “thinkin” alone. We’re having our own little shouting match over here. We’ll let you know when we’re done.

  13. Already a conservative Arizona Congressman who previously stumped with Bush is saying he doesn’t want anything to do with Bush during his upcoming re-election.

    Look for Democrats to extend the blame beyond the White House, and without lying through their teeth.  The House GOP leadership is corrupt to the bone, and it’s GOP Representatives that keep them there.  If we don’t replace Musgrave, she’ll just vote the cronyism back in to leadership.  If we put ROD in there, he’ll just vote to keep them in, too – heck, he’s already buddies with “don’t outlaw torture” Cheney.  Look for Democrats to come out fighting on the compassion and values front, too; the current budget bill is fodder for attack ads on that front.  What kind of values are represented by cutting 30,000 people from Food Stamps and giving the difference to the rich in the form of tax cuts?

    The House “compromise” on ANWR and Continental Shelf oil drilling (aka it ain’t gonna happen) I think signals a new willingness on the part of Republicans to appear independent of the leadership brought on in part by a need to win re-election.

  14. Putting Owens in the 1st race would be like leading a sheep to the wolves. Remember what happened to Ken Chlouber? He had paid his dues to the party, and had defeated democratic incumbents in each of his elections to higher office, but he got slaughtered in the 1st CD. The real answer here is to get rid of term limits so our most highly qualified legislators (Thiebaut, Chlouber, etc.) don’t feel obligated to run for an unwinnable seat after they’ve been forced out of office.

  15. the Washington Times runs a front page, above the fold story in today’s paper with the headline,
    “Bush Sank GOP In Virginia”… the story is harsh.

  16. I seriously question whether Both Ways Bob would be a ‘shoo-in’ if he got back in the race for the 7th.

    Agreed. As closely aligned as he has been with Bush and DeLay (who could very well be indicted in the Abramoff case by next November) BB could easily be swept up in a backlash. That district is very, very close.

    Phoenix – it looks as though Santorum may be ducking Bush now as well.

  17. Margaret is right. C got 52% of the vote. We know the State is split fairly evenly 1/3 GOP, 1/3 DEM and 1/3 Unaffiliated. If all DEMs and all GOPers voted for C&D shouldn’t we have seen a 60-30 vote?

    Given the turn out numbers it doesn’t look like many Unaffiliated folks voted. That leaves us with the DEMs and GOPers, of which, again, not everyone voted.

    So if there are more GOP than DEM and as you insinuate “DraftRomanoff” that the GOP voters voted for C&D, then why was the vote so close? The answer is that only a MINORITY of GOPers voted for C. It was enough to get C passed, but I wouldn’t go making bets on the GOP primary using those numbers (did you happen to see the vote in Mesa County?).

  18. The fallout is that GOV Bill is done with GOP Politics statewide (Think about CD-1 Bill. You are not Ken Clober, he sucked. If take on Diana and we’ll get behind you buddy), and the handful of GOP Legislators that voted to rbing it to the vote have big, fat Bull?s-eyes on their chests.

    Also, I think Beauprez got hurt by trying to stand on the sidelines. All of my friends, except two in Weld County, are now with Holtzman because of the firm stand he took against C. BB is loosing support statewide. Every day that goes by is a day that Marc gets more Holtzman Heroes. BB needs to make a deal with ROD and go back to the 7th.

  19. Ref. C certainly crossed party lines on both sides, but I don’t think the Dems will see any long-term side-effects from their defectors – Dem voters just won’t vote for most of the GOP anti-C candidates due to their other positions.

    Mountain counties in particular did very well last year for the Democrats, but their independent streak led a number of them to go against Ref. C this time out.

    I think the problem the GOP will be facing is tied to leadership issues; the joke Andrew Romanoff likes to tell that ties in all of the ridiculous emphasis the GOP put on moral issues while they were in charge tells a tale just too compelling to let go: GOP leadership seems unwilling or unable to break away from legislating reactionary moralism in order to do the important business of maintaining basic government services.  Here in this state, the GOP will have to overcome a perception that Democrats really can govern responsibly.  Nationally, they also have to overcome the image of rampant cronyism that they have rightfully acquired.

    Next year’s going to be a long one for the GOP.

  20. Damb Phoenix, we need to find that 6th Grade teacher who taught you how to write and take her out back for a beating. She should have checked your party affiliation before teaching you so well.

    You are right, the GOP?s problem is one of leadership. But you?re wrong in saying the issue involves legislating reactionary moralism. Despite the idiots we in the Larimer GOP elected (That?s it! I said it! Sorry guys but the beastiality crap last session did me in), the right wing of the Party actually has not sat in leadership since the days of Bob Schaffer. The leaders of the Party have been the social moderates like Anderson, Stengel and King, who all three will happily tell you their war stories about keeping the Right Wing-nuts down where they belong.

    The crisis in leadership in the GOP has involved trying to keep power for the sake of keeping power. As a party we abandoned our principles because they forced our leaders to answer those ?really hard questions?. Bill Owens got elected as a Right Wing-nut, not as the moderate the papers write op-ed love letters about nowadays. Bill barely beat Gale folks. The moderate wing of the party saw this as a harbinger. They wormed their way into party leadership convinced Bill was going to ruin it all before 2002, requiring them to step in and save the day.

    What did they accomplish? Well it seems they pulled Bill to the center along with the majority of GOP seats in the Leg. Net effect? The DEMs control both houses. Why? They ran on Principles and they won on Principles. Joanie couldn?t have made her big speech last January at start of the session without having the backing of those DEMs who found a message based on DEM principles. Anyone remember her speech? Marx would have smiled.

    So you?re right Phoenix. It is about Leadership. But you?re wrong also, the cause was bad leaders who abandoned their principles to preserve power.

    Well, a part of GOP leadership changed this last winter and some of us have noticed the change. More change in leadership is coming in 2006. Remember the warning about fighting the last war before you go planning the DEM victory celebrations.

  21. Owens will not be running for U.S. Senate or Congress. He’s done running for office. He’s probably going to head a trade association or go back to lobbying. He wants to go back to the private sector, probably as much because he couldn’t stay in politics if he wanted to as because he’s tired of running for office.

  22. Right, Lebowski.  He also has three kids in or coming on to college.  I know how that feels.  He can make much bigger bucks in the private sector and that’s just what I think he’ll do.  If Allard doesn’t seek a third term in 2008 he might look at it, but by then I think he’ll be making enough money and so tired of the crap of politics that he’ll just settle into senior statesman role.  And by then Marc Holtzman will have either gone back to Pennsylvania or packed his carpet bag for yet another target of opportunity.

  23. “GOP leadership seems unwilling or unable to break away from legislating reactionary moralism in order to do the important business of maintaining basic government services.”

    Hey Pheonix, how many gay/lesbian and NARAL bills  did the Democratic leadership run last session? (Hint, you’ll need all your fingers to count)  Is your argument that the Dems are above such politics, or simply that they can multitask when legislating their morality?

  24. I could redeem himself by winning the 1st CD for the GOP, but you’re all probably right… Owens will just go back home to Texas… Thanks for all you’ve done Bill.

  25. Perhaps Owens is posturing for a leadership position for one of Colorado’s universities.  Steady work, no accountability, and a great place to meet chics.

  26. Well, from politics to academia worked for Dick Lamm and Hank Brown.  Indoor work, no heavy lifting.  But don’t publicize that part about the chicks, Quimby.  I don’t want Bill Clinton applying as president of CU.

  27. Of course Owens needs to go to the private sector, the poor guy has been a State Employee! 

    I am a State Employee.  Do you guys know benefits CO State workers receive are 50th out of 50th states?  We are DEAD LAST.  I have not received a pay increase in 3 of the past 4 years.  I am 100% serious.  Colorado has completely neglected its state workers.  That is the reality.

  28. champa,

    Let’s see: the Dems touted two measures for gays and the emergency contraceptive bill for the NARAL crowd.  Do you know of any others?

    Both of the measures for gay rights were non-discrimination bills, and the contraceptive bill was about rape treatment.

    I’m mixed on the rape treatment bill due to the religious hospital issue, but feel there’s a good compromise measure to be had that will get past the Governor’s desk this year; the option of emergency contraception prevention measures should be at least conveyed to anyone who goes through the horrible situation of being raped, ne?

    The employment non-discrimination bill that the Governor vetoed is a civil rights issue; my prediction is that in the future, we’ll all look back and say “that wasn’t a big deal, was it?”  Just as most of us look back now and say that allowing African-Americans or women to work alongside white males wasn’t a bad idea, either.  I’d be sympathetic to just letting the free market take control, except then I see some story that reveals just how far we have to go on the discrimination issues we’ve already supposedly solved.

  29. Republican Scandals Spell Democratic Victories

    The spreading web of Republican law breaking has begun to influence various election races around the nation. If votes get counted properly in 2006, the Republican Party is in very serious trouble nationally. As Brad Friedman at Brad Blog (http://www.bradblog.com) and Mark Crispin Miller (http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com) in his latest book, Fooled Again clearly reveal, honest elections in 2006 are not a forgone conclusion and fraud may save Republican rule. Regardless, Republican candidates are facing serious disapproval from voters around the nation.

    Republican Congressman John Doolittle in California is now facing a stiff challenge from Democratic candidate and Iraqi War veteran Charles Brown.  In Texas, Tom Delay is trailing his most likely Democratic candidate. Ohio Republican Congressman Robert Ney is in serious trouble but vowing to seek re-election. Ralph Reed has seen his election prospects in his bid to become Georgia?s Lt. Governor despite being the most prominent Republican leader in the state.

    In Maine, US Senator Olympia Snowe has started to be weakened because she has not shown leadership in opposing the illegal wiretapping by the Bush White House or opposed the Supreme Court nominee Alito who may legalize lawbreaking by Bush and Cheney. Jean Hay Bright has been showing signs of seriously challenging the Maine Republican.

    The scandals hurting these candidates are numerous and varied. The connections to and impacts on each race are all different. They are not the only serious corruption scandals or examples of Republican officeholders violating laws influencing the 2006 election outlook. Congressman ?Duke? Cunningham in California and Ohio Governor Taft both are facing serious criminal charges.

    Many other Republican officeholders from Congressman Jerry Lewis of California to Montana US Senator Conrad Burns to Alabama Governor Bob Riley seem to be very deeply implicated in or connected to the Abramhoff corruption scandals. The media has been trying to spin the Abramhoff as a bipartisan scandal but the reality is that Abramhoff was a very highly placed and extremely partisan Republican operative. Abramhoff had great influence in Republican circles and basically none among elected Democrats. His scam was a Republican operation in every important detail.

    Abramhoff was closely connected to Bush and Cheney. His operation reached deeply into the Bush White House. He was no stranger to Pennsylvania Avenue during the time frame of the scandals. An independent Special Prosecutor seems to be called for to investigate ties between Abramhoff and official actions by the White House. An investigation in the Abramhoff operation concerning overseas American territories was stopped several years ago by a White House appointment.

    Illegal wiretapping already has the Bush Republicans deeply worried. The Abramhoff scandal seems to be even more potentially damaging to Bush Republicans. It is important to note that the investigations of the outing of Valerie Palme as a covert CIA agent has not been completed. The possibilities of charges being filed against Karl Rove or Vice President Dick Cheney remain. Impeachment has become a mainstream political discussion not outside the realm of possibility in 2006 and 2007.

    From state to state, election fraud issues are starting to take hold. The controversies range from Republican primaries in Arizona to the Presidential vote count in Alaska. Electronic voting machine issues are gaining attention. Citizens are demanding a look at the internal procedures and mechanics of the Republican connected voting machine companies like ES&S and Diebold. Every look at these issues seems to shown fraud, bias or incompetence that has been benefiting almost exclusively Bush Republican candidates.

    All the trends in popular opinion seem to be pointing to strong gains for Democratic candidates in 2006. Combined with demographic changes, the Republican stranglehold on national political power will likely cease with the Fall elections.

    Written by Stephen Crockett (co-host of Democratic Talk Radio http://www.DemocraticTalkRadio.com ). Mail: P.O. Box 283, Earleville, Maryland 21919. Email: midsouthcm@aol.com .

    Feel free to publish without charge or prior permission.

  30. Republican Scandals Spell Democratic Victories

    The spreading web of Republican law breaking has begun to influence various election races around the nation. If votes get counted properly in 2006, the Republican Party is in very serious trouble nationally. As Brad Friedman at Brad Blog (http://www.bradblog.com) and Mark Crispin Miller (http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com) in his latest book, Fooled Again clearly reveal, honest elections in 2006 are not a forgone conclusion and fraud may save Republican rule. Regardless, Republican candidates are facing serious disapproval from voters around the nation.

    Republican Congressman John Doolittle in California is now facing a stiff challenge from Democratic candidate and Iraqi War veteran Charles Brown.  In Texas, Tom Delay is trailing his most likely Democratic candidate. Ohio Republican Congressman Robert Ney is in serious trouble but vowing to seek re-election. Ralph Reed has seen his election prospects in his bid to become Georgia?s Lt. Governor despite being the most prominent Republican leader in the state.

    In Maine, US Senator Olympia Snowe has started to be weakened because she has not shown leadership in opposing the illegal wiretapping by the Bush White House or opposed the Supreme Court nominee Alito who may legalize lawbreaking by Bush and Cheney. Jean Hay Bright has been showing signs of seriously challenging the Maine Republican.

    The scandals hurting these candidates are numerous and varied. The connections to and impacts on each race are all different. They are not the only serious corruption scandals or examples of Republican officeholders violating laws influencing the 2006 election outlook. Congressman ?Duke? Cunningham in California and Ohio Governor Taft both are facing serious criminal charges.

    Many other Republican officeholders from Congressman Jerry Lewis of California to Montana US Senator Conrad Burns to Alabama Governor Bob Riley seem to be very deeply implicated in or connected to the Abramhoff corruption scandals. The media has been trying to spin the Abramhoff as a bipartisan scandal but the reality is that Abramhoff was a very highly placed and extremely partisan Republican operative. Abramhoff had great influence in Republican circles and basically none among elected Democrats. His scam was a Republican operation in every important detail.

    Abramhoff was closely connected to Bush and Cheney. His operation reached deeply into the Bush White House. He was no stranger to Pennsylvania Avenue during the time frame of the scandals. An independent Special Prosecutor seems to be called for to investigate ties between Abramhoff and official actions by the White House. An investigation in the Abramhoff operation concerning overseas American territories was stopped several years ago by a White House appointment.

    Illegal wiretapping already has the Bush Republicans deeply worried. The Abramhoff scandal seems to be even more potentially damaging to Bush Republicans. It is important to note that the investigations of the outing of Valerie Palme as a covert CIA agent has not been completed. The possibilities of charges being filed against Karl Rove or Vice President Dick Cheney remain. Impeachment has become a mainstream political discussion not outside the realm of possibility in 2006 and 2007.

    From state to state, election fraud issues are starting to take hold. The controversies range from Republican primaries in Arizona to the Presidential vote count in Alaska. Electronic voting machine issues are gaining attention. Citizens are demanding a look at the internal procedures and mechanics of the Republican connected voting machine companies like ES&S and Diebold. Every look at these issues seems to shown fraud, bias or incompetence that has been benefiting almost exclusively Bush Republican candidates.

    All the trends in popular opinion seem to be pointing to strong gains for Democratic candidates in 2006. Combined with demographic changes, the Republican stranglehold on national political power will likely cease with the Fall elections.

    Written by Stephen Crockett (co-host of Democratic Talk Radio http://www.DemocraticTalkRadio.com ). Mail: P.O. Box 283, Earleville, Maryland 21919. Email: midsouthcm@aol.com .

    Feel free to publish without charge or prior permission.

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